One commentator animadverting upon the post entitled The Unintended Consequences of Homosexual "Marriage" had this to say, after quoting from the post:
"The endgame is that only Christians and the Christian faith have certain and solid foundations for knowing anything. Only Christian epistemology is rational and coherent and true. Everything else is sinking sand."Our trusty commentator, xchequer is naturally talking up his own book here. He alleges that the "Bible" and "faith" represent a contradiction in terms with "rational" and "coherent". Alleges, mind you. Not argues. Nevertheless what he says is a helpful illustration of the all-to-common mindset of Unbelief: shout loudly, slur your opponents, and never go near a rational argument.
Thats (sic) a conceit of enormous proportions John. Besides, putting the words "rational" and "coherent" any where (sic) near the bible or the word "faith" is oxymoronic.
We, for our part, have alleged that all non-Christian epistemologies are sinking sand; only Christian epistemology is rational, coherent, and true. It's a strong claim. Nevertheless, it's one we are prepared to argue for. Rationally.
Below is a brief folksy illustration of the point, addressing the most common epistemology operating in the world of Unbelief today: evidentialism.
Now, for just about every belief each of us holds, someone can ask us why we believe it and expect to receive an argument--a reason--of some sort But how can we have a reason or argument for every one of our beliefs? For every reason we give, that reason will require a reason, which will in turn require yet another reason, and so on, world without end. But of course, we can't have an infinite number of reasons. None of us has that much time on our hands. Or enough patience.Evidentialism, the most common epistemology of our day, is sinking sand. It is epistemology's version of universal acid: it eats everything away, including itself. It ends in irrationalism. Now if evidentialism accurately represents the way the world actually functions, then it follows that the cosmos itself is irrational, random, stochastic. Which is to say that this sentence has no meaning whatsoever--and if it does have meaning at all, then evidentialism cannot be true.
All of us have experienced the maddening series of "why" questions launched at us from the mouths of small children. These "why" questions, you are quite sure, absolutely must stop. When the great philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein said, "Explanations come to an end somewhere," he had just visited his niece and nephew.
Let's look at the problem differently. Start with any belief of yours. If evidentialism is true, you should, if you're rational, be able to give some reason for believing it. In other words, you'll have evidence for it, other beliefs supporting the original belief.
These supporting beliefs will also, presumably, have beliefs "beneath" them, giving them adequate support. In this way, all our beliefs form a sort of structure or building, with each belief akin to a brick, each brick having at least one brick beneath it (usually more), evidentially supporting it. But, just like any building, we need a foundation, bricks on which our entire edifice rests.
If evidentialism is true, however, and all beliefs require evidence, then so must your foundational beliefs. But this can't be right, can it? Foundational beliefs have no supporting evidence--they're the foundation. . . . If the beliefs we all stop at, our foundational beliefs, require evidence in order to be rational, then the beliefs that make up the foundation aren't rational; they don't have the requisite evidential support. (Emphasis, ours.) . . . . So if evidentialism is true, we have a serious problem--namely, all our beliefs are irrational. [Mitch Stokes, A Shot of Faith (Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 2012), p. 13f.]
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So, how should we address someone who founds their belief in science?I imagine one would be laughed at for suggesting that science requires supporting beliefs. I think that response (of science being a concrete foundation) would commit the taxicab fallicy but it would be very difficult to get them to concede to that.
Science itself is based on assumptions. Many reasonable, some not.
Science assumes logic, reason and mathematics, it cannot prove these things, perfectly reasonable to assume these things.
Modern scientists assume that since science cannot answer questions about the matters beyond the natural or the "why?" questions, that these questions are invalid, and that is unreasonable.
I was an atheist and became a Christian after I realised the dead rats I had to swallow to be an atheist were unreasonable and ultimately unscientific. I realised how closed minded I had to be to be one. After that it melted away, to be replaced by peace, love and joy. A miracle indeed.
Thanks Jeremy.
The frustration I have is when atheists make outlandish claims about the Bible and its teachings. I have often asked them if they have an answer to the absurdity of atheism, only to be accused of using the argument from personal incredulity. I also hurts to see the venom directed at brothers and sisters, as if we are somehow mentally impared. I would consider betting that most of us would have put more thought into our beliefs than the average atheist keyboard warrior...
I put in 5 years of research and wrestling with the question of God before accepting His reality and building a personal relationship with Him. I continue to learn more about all types of faith today.
One of the best parts of my faith today is I realise God understand that struggle (everything of course) and His grace covers this struggle completely. In fact the word Israel means to wrestle with God.
So I agree that many Christians have gone much deeper into their core beliefs about Origin, Purpose and Destination than many atheists. My own experience with my former atheism is that it springs from; hatred of God, a desire to be your own personal god or childhood dysfunction.
The Bible bashing comes from a compltete lack (or desire) of spiritual understanding. The Bible must be read prayerfully and spiritually. It also must be read in a historic context, understanding the time and personal circumstances of the author. If read it in this manner it speaks to you. If read closed mindedly it will be easy to lampoon, but serious challenges are few and far between.
Many Christians set themselves up for failure by not following Paul's instruction to always be ready to defend the faith and by reading the Bible literally when it is not warranted.
I'm 29 and I think the World (and in particular The West) is in for a rough time spiritually over the course of my lifetime. Luckily our trust can be placed in God and the knowledge that after the experiments of abortion, "voluntary" suicide, gay marriage, etc. etc. have left a wake of barbarism to make the ancient pagans blush, the remaining faithful can preach the Word and see sense return.
There is faith knowledge which is just as reasonable as scientific knowledge. Knowledge is legitimately, indeed compulsively and naturally shared and passed on. Since the Enlightenment faith knowledge is no longer recognised as knowledge at all. It is private. It may be good to have, but society no longer has an interest in its being shared, or in supporting any individual or group commitment associated with it.
Faith knowledge is, as one writer said, like saliva - good to have some, just keep it to yourself.
This change in world view has exposed the inadequacy of our understanding of word "belief" which Christians use. Biblical and Nicene belief is an adherence to knowledge - something reasonably known to be true.
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